The Neue.Indie Podcast

Deraj (00:00.124)
It's all good. Nah, yeah, I was I was a little worried at at the beginning that because they have so many high profile actors, they were gonna try to lean on that versus it actually being a good movie storyline, acting, all that kind of stuff.

Frank Bentley (00:15.16)
Fire.

Yeah. They did a good job though. I feel like they didn't like Zendaya was in it, but I feel like she was she had a small role so they didn't purposefully like put her in spots that she need to be in. let's see.

Deraj (00:29.788)
Yeah.

Deraj (00:33.541)
Right.

Deraj (00:37.54)
Yeah, but it was good. I thought they was gonna try to just rest on we got a huge cast. That should be enough to get people in the in the in the theater.

Frank Bentley (00:42.271)
Right.

Deraj (00:50.522)
This is one or more platforms drop.

Okay, yeah, it's fine.

Frank Bentley (01:35.886)
There we go. I got a Instagram link in there, so that works.

Deraj (01:40.274)
Appreciate.

Deraj (01:45.884)
Bro, he be covering everything that

Frank Bentley (01:47.72)
Everything bro. He does not miss.

Deraj (01:57.84)
Okay, cool. I gotta pull it up.

Frank Bentley (01:59.282)
Have you seen you went to see Spider Man yet?

Deraj (02:02.478)
No, but I realized that I actually have seen the one prior to 'cause that was the one where they had all three Spider Mans in it, right? Yeah. So I saw that one. I'm I feel like I remember seeing it in theater as well. I just don't remember it. Which I don't know if that's a good or bad thing.

Frank Bentley (02:09.984)
Right, yeah.

Frank Bentley (02:18.882)
Fair. I think and yeah, there was a lot of Marvel movies that came out in between it, so that makes sense. I went to the I've seen it twice, bro.

Deraj (02:24.943)
Yeah.

I always like that.

Frank Bentley (02:29.582)
It's it's like that, bro. For me. For me, for me, for me, for me.

Deraj (02:32.082)
Yeah. I was like 'cause I do remember I liked the one prior to it that I saw in theaters with all three. I was like, that was fire when they had all of the Spider Man's in there. I I just remember that moment. And then it was it was like emotional too. I remember it was a Yeah, so I gotta I gotta rewatch it. I just don't remember any of the plot line or any of that kind of stuff. I just remember that moment.

Frank Bentley (02:44.672)
Yeah.

Man Yeah.

Frank Bentley (02:55.99)
Yeah. Yeah. It's that one's fire. I I this one is the best one from Tom Holland. For sure. For sure. For sure. For sure, bro. It's it's a must-watch. So I took my son, me and my wife and my son went the first night. And then last night, my son was like, You want to watch it again? And I was like, You really want to go see it? He's like, Yeah. I was like, you know what? Let's go.

Deraj (03:02.896)
This one is the best one you think?

All right, gotta go see it.

Deraj (03:17.062)
Yeah.

Deraj (03:22.032)
Let's run it back. Is it like

Frank Bentley (03:24.398)
It's long though. That that's my only critique I'll give it.

Deraj (03:30.128)
Well, I I don't mind long movies because I just don't. I just, you know, that's my thing. My my escapism is just going to watch movies by myself type stuff. Like I went to go see the Odyssey by myself, and then I came home and bought the the backrooms movie and watched that like right after.

Frank Bentley (03:34.456)
Be chillin' the same. Right, right.

Frank Bentley (03:49.9)
Really? How is the backrooms movie, bro?

Deraj (03:53.274)
You know, it's it's it's an A twenty-four, you know, film, so it's that kind of vibe. Yeah, it's very, you know, boot bespoke kind of vibe, you know what I mean? But I don't know how to how to critique it, because I thought it was an interesting watch. And I've noticed like some of these horror movies, they're doing this like the ending is just really weird. You know what I mean? It's like it's it just goes super left like

Frank Bentley (03:56.585)
Right. Right. So it's gonna be it's gonna be weird, right.

Frank Bentley (04:03.836)
Right.

Frank Bentley (04:18.476)
Yeah, yeah.

Deraj (04:22.249)
kids imagination type stuff. Like you wouldn't put these two things together in a traditional Yeah, 'cause even that that movie They Will Kill You. I don't know if you heard of that one. Same thing. The end of that joint is just like, what the I it it feels like a Quentin Tarantino movie, but the end of it is just like, yeah I mean it's kind of cool, but it's just like y'all came up with this is the the Yeah.

Frank Bentley (04:26.484)
Right. They doing it on purpose. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (04:31.756)
Yeah. I've heard of it, yeah.

Frank Bentley (04:43.968)
Yeah, they ran out of ideas and they said, Hey Jeff, you over there, just just pick what we do at the end. That's that's what it'd be feeling like.

Deraj (04:51.182)
Yeah, it just anyway, but it I mean, it's it's it's interesting. It's worth a watch, I think. I don't know if I'll be like, is the like I didn't walk away from it like how I felt with Obsession. Like Obsession was dope. I think I'm like, you sh usually go check it out, let me know your thoughts. But but I I also think Obsession is one of those movies it's probably better seen in the theater or just make sure you turn your volume up if you're doing it at like home or something.

Frank Bentley (04:56.63)
Okay.

Frank Bentley (05:02.476)
I haven't seen obsession. I haven't seen obsession yet. Word word word. Okay.

Frank Bentley (05:13.792)
okay.

Volume up lights set the ambiance for the for the film. Okay.

Deraj (05:20.432)
Yeah, 'cause there's there's a couple of scenes where I've seen the I've seen the replay of it on YouTube and it don't hit the same as it did when I was in the theater. 'Cause I was like that moment was like, my God. When I saw it on YouTube, I was like I was like, okay, it didn't catch me as but it was anyway, so

Frank Bentley (05:28.148)
Yeah. Mm. Yeah.

Was wild.

Frank Bentley (05:38.424)
Yeah, dope, dope. Yeah, I gotta c I gotta catch it.

Deraj (05:41.618)
All right. I think I'm queued up. I think I'm ready.

Frank Bentley (05:44.29)
Yeah, I got the yeah, I got everything lined up here. Let me get the let me get baby watcher.

Deraj (05:49.714)
Do you get okay, I got all my links for it up. Okay. Yeah, do that.

Yeah, I planned it out. I got her down like what do you mean? I did too. Yeah. How long how

Frank Bentley (05:59.159)
See, I man, I put her down like 20 minutes ago. She would normally be asleep. Bentley, bring me the bring me the baby screen thing.

Deraj (06:08.498)
What's her like how how does she?

Frank Bentley (06:13.506)
She turns two on the thirteenth.

Deraj (06:15.714)
Okay, I don't know no one or two years old. 'Cause I know with her, she's like I can I mean I you know, I start to see when she's about to go down, but I know her time window of like how long I got until she starts to fade, you know what I mean? And I kept her up a little longer.

Frank Bentley (06:30.38)
Yeah. Usu usually she's good, bro. I don't know what's going on in there. That's why hopefully she ain't got nothing crazy going on in there. but we finna put this over here.

But yeah, you know, and usually I time it. I say, All right, so sh her her nap time is at two. The podcast's at two. I want her to fall asleep by two. So I put her in there by like one one twenty. She'll jump around, play, and then she'll fall asleep. Yeah, but so I'm surprised but she quiet now. She might have just I don't know what she went through. She might've fell or something.

Deraj (06:51.41)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deraj (06:58.234)
She'll go, yeah, so

Deraj (07:05.106)
I think it I think it's just like, yeah, she might have fell or something, but you know, she alright, it shouldn't be good.

Frank Bentley (07:06.688)
Yeah, like right now she Yeah, she she alright, she'll be okay. Yeah, she in there she in there playing right now, so she good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sir.

Deraj (07:16.496)
Okay, cool. All right, let's write it up. what's up, yeah? Welcome to the new Indy.

Frank Bentley (07:22.892)
What up, what up?

Deraj (07:26.374)
Let's go. I

We're we back yet a w what episode is this? I think we're on ten. Is it ten? Episode ten? Or are we n is it?

Frank Bentley (07:34.85)
This is ten, bro. This episode ten, my guy. Hey. Yes, sir, yes, sir.

Deraj (07:38.778)
Jeez, man. Making waves, making waves. How you like, what is the like what's your comfort level now? Like how do you feel since you've been doing this thing?

Frank Bentley (07:49.111)
I'm I'm I'm myself. I feel like I'm myself. yeah. I mean I'm I feel like there's a part of me that's still the media training is still there. I'm not fully just, you know, yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like I I yeah, I can't I can't just do that, you know, for the sake of not getting ripped apart. But I feel comfortable. I feel good.

Deraj (07:52.305)
You feel good?

Deraj (08:00.934)
The media trade? just like letting all your Yeah.

Deraj (08:10.126)
Yeah.

I kind of feel the same. Like there's a certain version where I'm I I think as we just keep doing it, it'll evolve, we'll get even more comfortable, like refine things even more. I'm waiting to kind of get more of the audience involved as well. And all of that kind of stuff. But I just I I I agree with you. It's like the media training, I think I'm still a little like, what can or can't I say? Yeah, get out of the performative.

Frank Bentley (08:19.213)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (08:29.326)
Facts.

Frank Bentley (08:38.018)
I gotta get past that. I gotta get past that.

Deraj (08:42.278)
kind of side of it's just like, man, let's just that's why I would love a third guest or something like that. Like a r a recurrent guest or a third something, a third party, third or fourth party to throw some extra ideas. Cause you Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's up, yeah? so excited for today's pod.

Frank Bentley (08:43.576)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (08:49.336)
Just that'd be fire. Yeah. To sh to shake it up, you know what I'm saying? Yeah, I'm with it, bro. But so far I'm loving it though. Can't complain.

Deraj (09:10.502)
The topic that we got queued up for today is the algorithm. The algorithm doesn't owe you anything. Talking about how Spotify pays you pennies, the industry feels like it's rigged against you, and the algorithm is just unfair, all true. But all of that's irrelevant to your next move.

Frank Bentley (09:30.526)
Absolutely. A hundred percent agree. so that's gonna be a good one, man. I think I think a lot of go ahead.

Deraj (09:31.92)
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, it's basically saying it basically saying you ain't got nobody to blame, but you gotta you still gotta figure it out. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (09:40.28)
But yourself. You gotta figure it out. I mean, it ain't gonna save you. So, a hundred percent. Yeah.

Deraj (09:46.598)
Yeah. This is a good one though. I like this topic. what else we got queued up? We got some other cool segments and music business news. looks like Apple Music flagged roughly two billion fraudulent streams on its platform in twenty twenty five alone and has doubled its fraud penalties while industry leaders warn AI is being used to hypercharge streaming fraud. So

So about some streaming fraud that Apple seemed to come across. Yeah. I wanna dig into this. I haven't I haven't read this article, so I'm I'm actually it's gonna be first of first for me. So it's dope. We're gonna talk about that. and film and entertainment news, Mr Damson, is that what you say? what's his full name?

Frank Bentley (10:18.808)
It it's it's it's coming. Mm it's coming.

Frank Bentley (10:39.754)
Damson yes, Damson Idris.

Deraj (10:42.566)
Damson Idris. Idris Elba. No relation at all. As he's out as as Black Panther. He's a new Black Panther, which

Frank Bentley (10:44.45)
Yes. No relation. No relation.

Frank Bentley (10:53.11)
No, he they everyone wanted him to be the Black Panther. and they didn't pick him.

Deraj (10:57.024)
what happened?

I thought hold on. So this is all right. I'm glad you corrected me 'cause I saw he was on like a panel or like a conference or something like that and everybody was like applauding him and it was What was that?

Frank Bentley (11:09.13)
So do that what's so crazy about that? That's David Johnson is the guy. Yeah, so Damson Aegers, they didn't pick him. The crazy part is, two different dudes. The world wanted. They did pick a new Black Panther. They did. The world wanted Damson. and we did not get that. But he is starring in a new film that's starting its own universe called Blood, Children of the Blood and Bone, which

Deraj (11:13.682)
Deraj (11:17.968)
Okay, so these are two different these are two different dudes. So they did pick they did pick a new Black Panther though. That's what I Okay.

Deraj (11:38.398)
okay.

Frank Bentley (11:40.158)
Absolutely looks like Black Panther all over again. I don't know if that had something to do with why they didn't double cast him, but we'll see the trailer and you guys will see the it's very similar.

Deraj (11:47.247)
Yeah.

Deraj (11:52.134)
That's so funny. I need to get I need to brush up on my on my celebrity names. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (11:55.819)
Nah, nah. You know what's so crazy? When I first seen him walk across the stage, I got hyped because I was like, they picked Damson Idris. And then when I when they zoomed up, I said, Hold on, hold on, hold on. That ain't him. so yeah. Yeah.

Deraj (12:03.812)
We look further, yeah. That it's not your boy. That's not your boy. Yeah, I was I thought it was exciting seeing that they were recasting, you know, they have a new, I guess, you know, former Black Panther, which the the gentleman that they picked that I saw the you know, the new the news bite or the reel of whatever, I was like, I like him. That I feel like that was a good choice.

Frank Bentley (12:31.938)
Yeah.

Deraj (12:32.762)
And I've seen him in other stuff. I think the first time I might have seen him was in the alien Romulus. Rom Romulus? Romul yeah, he was he w he crushed that role. And he was also in, I think, a long walk or something like that with

Frank Bentley (12:39.553)
Romulus movie, yep.

Frank Bentley (12:43.778)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (12:47.552)
Long wall. Yeah, I I seen that he was in it. I haven't seen it yet.

Deraj (12:50.758)
Yeah, I saw that joint. He he he did a really good job. He seems like he has some some range. I don't know his his acting background and training and stuff like that, but he seems like he's already seasoned. You know what I mean? But yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. culture, tech, and current events. Report surfaced that AI models from meta and open AI slipped containment.

Frank Bentley (13:02.83)
Dope, dope. So yeah, that's a great pick.

Deraj (13:16.102)
during security tests and began rewriting systems they were never meant to touch. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (13:22.594)
Hey, hey, we got old we got Ultron in the building. Hey, that's correct that's actually crazy. Because Yeah, it's this it's starting. iRobot. I mean Will Smith was onto something. Rewriting sist full systems, they weren't meant. That's scary, bro.

Deraj (13:36.262)
Yeah. R rewriting his own protocols. Yeah, it's is it's final loopholes in his own code.

Frank Bentley (13:43.502)
Scary sc yeah, that's that's very scary. Yeah.

Deraj (13:47.804)
All we're gonna talk about that. And gaming, this one I was actually really excited. I'm glad you found this news article, whatever, because I saw this literally yesterday. I told my wife about it. In gaming news, GTA gameplay trailer will be live on Netflix, and I think that's August 27th, seven days after my birthday. Which is like this game has to make so much money when it drops, bro. Cause all of this.

Frank Bentley (13:56.138)
Word were

Frank Bentley (14:08.224)
snap.

Frank Bentley (14:14.094)
it it's I don't I think it's gonna be it's gonna be pandemonium. I I don't think servers are ready. I don't think internet providers I it's about to be crazy, bro. I has I have some thoughts on this as a gamer and why there's a part of it where I'm like, all right, I'm excited, but I have a problem with it. But we'll get to that. We'll get to that. We'll get to that.

Deraj (14:27.204)
Yeah, this is this is nuts.

Deraj (14:40.782)
Okay. Yeah, I want to hear your thoughts on that. And then lastly in sync news, music supervisor stealing from Nike. my boy Eric Campbell. he had dropped a some news around, I guess, a fraud case that's highlighting some huge transparency issues in the sync licensing space. So we wanna touch on that a bit. But yeah, yeah. I like these.

Frank Bentley (15:05.9)
Yes, sir. I blame AI. I'm I'm kidding, I'm kidding. I'm I'm not gonna blame AI.

Deraj (15:10.372)
I don't even know all of what he I think I I don't even know all of what the you know the this the you know the real that he's talking about like with all it covers but it's funny you immediately just jumped AI How you feeling, bro?

Frank Bentley (15:20.642)
Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (15:28.436)
I'm feeling good, bro. Today, this week, well, this week rather, has been a good one, bro. I can't complain. I put myself at I say 8.5. I I hung out with my son a lot this week. We went and watched Spider-Man multiple times. so yeah, so we went we went and seen that. He dressed up as Spider-Man. so you know what I'm saying? Yeah, bro. Look, let me show the world, bro. Look at look at my son.

Deraj (15:40.338)
Okay.

Deraj (15:46.022)
Multiple times. Multiverse.

Deraj (15:51.898)
You I didn't know that.

Are y'all like a Spider Man household? Is that the the superhero of choice?

Frank Bentley (15:58.599)
for sure. Chick out right there, bro. Look at that photo right there. Come on, guys. Yeah. But yeah, we went and seen that. So it was a a good time. We are a Spider Man house just because of how much he loves Spider Man. so it's dope to no, I I got him on on Marvel. Yeah, yeah.

Deraj (16:02.684)
That's clutch. That's clutch.

Deraj (16:14.308)
Okay. Who influenced who? He influenced you or you influenced him? Did you? Okay. All right.

Frank Bentley (16:22.154)
I got I got comic y'all can't see it 'cause it's not in shot. There's like a line of comic books going across the the roof right there. So I put on to to Marvel and he it's just stuck with so yeah. Great week. Can't complain, man. How about yours?

Deraj (16:29.829)
Okay.

Deraj (16:34.288)
Yeah.

Great, right. Well, I can complain this week, man. So I feel right now, I think because I'm on the pod, I think I I've just my spirits will lift a little more. I enjoy doing this, you know what I mean? So I've I feel like a nine right now, but probably a couple of hours ago, I was like a five. Like in this whole week has been like of my gosh, y'all. Yeah, like story time. I was supposed to have ACL surgery on Tuesday.

Frank Bentley (16:48.29)
You just chillin'. Yeah, we chillin'.

Frank Bentley (16:54.626)
Damn.

Like the I feels that. Yeah.

Deraj (17:06.194)
And, you know, I had been anticipating this date for a couple of months because I was originally supposed to have surgery done I think in June or something like that. I can't remember. I think it w it had to been like I think it was like early June or late May or something like that. Cause the original date that I had set got postponed because there was some stuff going on with our insurance. So we were pushing it back, got that resolved and then tried to re

Frank Bentley (17:31.512)
Yeah, yeah.

Deraj (17:36.339)
book the surgery and in between that time I was rebooking, I got hit up to do this whole Spain, you know, performance. So I was like, all right, cool, we're just gonna defer the surgery out, you know, a month or two, no biggie. The date got set, yada, yada. So I I you know, preparing, got my team ready, let them know like, hey, I'm gonna be out all this week. here's everything we need to do. I've also moved travel dates

Frank Bentley (17:44.244)
Right. Right.

Frank Bentley (17:48.706)
Yeah.

Deraj (18:06.218)
based off of this particular surgery date. I canceled stuff that I like I had a song camp that I got invited to or s a songwriting camp that I was supposed to go to in Maine and I had to cancel that joint. Yeah, I had to cancel it because I was thinking like, y'all I'm gonna get surgery this week. It was going to be at the end of the month, like, and I was just like, man, this is gonna be too short a recovery window. So I just can't do it. So I had to cancel it. and I felt bad too because this

Frank Bentley (18:07.832)
Dang.

Frank Bentley (18:26.977)
Yeah.

Deraj (18:35.078)
particular individual. She she's invited me like this might have been her second or third time inviting me to the camps and I had to cancel like because of just just stuff going on. I was ready to go. And I was about to thug it out, but I was like, man, it's not wise. I'm not finna finna finna chance it. So anyway, like I just rearranged my whole life around this whole surgery date. And then I pull up to the office and I was just like, yeah, you know, I'm I'm here.

Frank Bentley (18:42.914)
Dang.

Frank Bentley (18:50.912)
Right, right, right. That'd have been miserable.

Deraj (19:02.914)
checking in, you know, from my surgery report, man, they're like, we just got you on the books for an office visit. I'm like, bro, you gotta be kidding me, man. So I kept it cool on the outside, we resolved it, kinda figured out what happened, but it was a communication error with the person who booked it. And yeah, so it's just like I'm one of them type people, man. I I plan, like I'm a planner and very strategic, and I hate when like

Frank Bentley (19:09.123)
no. nah. Mm mm.

Frank Bentley (19:28.556)
Yeah.

Deraj (19:32.644)
my day just gets ajar. Yeah, man, it just threw me off and I'm trying to like recover mentally and also like emotionally. It's it's weird.

Frank Bentley (19:42.464)
Yeah, cause you hype you hype yourself up for a surgery, bro. Like that's mentally like you gotta mentally prep for that.

Deraj (19:46.87)
Yeah. And then I was low key looking forward to just having a w kind of a week off to just recover and, you know, just chill. And so now my brain is just in that mold and now I'm just like and usually I think I'm I I pivot well, but for the for whatever reason this joint just threw me off. And on top of that, I just have way too many projects all kind of circulating at once and things just don't feel like they're getting off of my plate as quick as I would like to it just feels like a

Frank Bentley (19:52.622)
Just yeah.

Frank Bentley (20:16.019)
Like them to be, I know. Yeah.

Deraj (20:17.09)
a never ending like work. So I just feel like it is it's all good stuff. So I hate, you know, complaining, but it's just being honest, like

Frank Bentley (20:23.798)
Yeah. For sure. But it could be overwhelming, bro. That's how anxiety creeps in, bro. It's real.

Deraj (20:29.686)
Yeah. It's just like that that last episode, like mental health was real 'cause I was just like, bro, F my life right now, dog. Which is which was it's weird to say it because it's all things that I love doing. It's all really great things, but you can be overwhelmed by having too many great things in the mix if you don't learn how to pace it out. And I'm still learning my lesson from these claw projects and all this other kind of stuff. So I'm

Frank Bentley (20:54.964)
Mm. Yep.

Deraj (20:58.222)
in process right now, but I I literally had to today was like it was around lunchtime earlier. I I was just still feeling anxious. Like my I've been working too much. Like I I'm I'm getting up and just going to work. I'm not even doing my normal routines. Like I typically go out, I walk, I work out, like I'll do my Devos. I ain't even doing none of that stuff. I just been trying to get stuff off of my foot. Yeah, it was not good. And I've been s I've been seeing like the effects of it. So I had to just stop earlier.

Frank Bentley (21:18.082)
go straight to work 'cause you gotta get stuff done.

Yeah, it's not

Deraj (21:27.1)
When my wife came home from work and I just played with my daughter, you know what I mean? Like we just I went inside our bedroom, I had her on the bed, we were just playing around, I was just just getting away from work and not letting it run me, at least for that moment. And so just trying to get get a better handle on that. But that's how how that's how it's been looking this week. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (21:48.587)
I get it, bro. It's rough. Those weeks are the ones when you s when you navigate them and you get to the other side of it, you'll be like, Man, like for at least for me, sometimes I'd be like, Man, I was tripping for nothing. Like it all worked out. It worked out the way it was supposed to. and and it worked out better than I could have imagined sometimes. So that'll be my encouragement to you for that, 'cause I I get it. I understand that. It's rough, but

Deraj (22:03.857)
One thousand, bro.

Deraj (22:11.782)
As it were.

Yeah. That's a whole word. That's a good point too, 'cause it's been this this is this isn't like a you know, this has never happened before. And what you're saying is absolutely true. It's like I get on the other side of it, it's just like, Y'all's tripping, bro, like

Frank Bentley (22:24.364)
Right, right.

Frank Bentley (22:29.24)
Yeah, but bro, but then it happens again and you right back feeling the same way. It's yeah, you forget real quick. But yeah, man. Yeah, dog. c yeah, sir.

Deraj (22:32.53)
Yeah, you just you just forget. Like you just like Yeah, man. All good. All good training ground though. So let's get to this wild card real quick. yeah, yeah, yeah.

This one is what what is it? Watch, save, burn or something like that?

Frank Bentley (22:52.542)
Watch, save, and burn. You gotta pick which one you're gonna watch, which one you're gonna save, and which one you're gonna burn for our heat check.

Deraj (22:58.866)
This is hold on. This is a podcast called Random. What did it say? Random of Random Fandom. Random Fandom. Shout out to Random Fandom. All right, let's see.

Frank Bentley (23:06.968)
Ran random fandom.

Frank Bentley (23:11.426)
I think we could pause right there once it gets to it.

Deraj (23:14.574)
Okay. yeah, yeah. All right. So all right. Which one are you gonna watch, save, or burn? So we got Spider Man Two, The Dark Knight, and Iron Man, the first Iron Man.

Frank Bentley (23:27.128)
Fur the very first one. Ooey.

Deraj (23:29.052)
So the I guess the game is which one are you gonna watch? Which one are you gonna what does Save mean though? What does that mean?

Frank Bentley (23:33.026)
Which one you gonna save? I guess save for later, like it's not like an immediate watch. I'm gonna save it. So it's not at too good to to to get to watch first, but not bad enough to get rid of.

Deraj (23:39.25)
okay.

Deraj (23:46.116)
I feel like this one was kinda easy.

Frank Bentley (23:48.138)
Yeah, I feel like we all know that

Deraj (23:51.774)
Maybe all right, hold on a little let me go first. Let me go first. Which order would you want me to go in? Which order you want me to go in? Watch Save Burn? All right. So the first one I'm probably gonna watch is The Dark Knight. Is is first for me I wanna watch. Mm reason being 'cause that Joker performance, I think he has the best Yeah, like I don't think there's any other

Frank Bentley (23:55.276)
Yeah, you you go first. You go first.

Frank Bentley (24:00.4)
we could go linear, watch Save Burn, yeah.

Frank Bentley (24:16.76)
Barnon.

Deraj (24:20.518)
s like super villain or whatever in any other live action like superhero movies that like was portrayed better than Heath Ledger's Joker. You know what I mean? Like he I think he just did the best out of any villain I've seen. Better than Thanos, better than Doomsday. Like I haven't seen Doomse, but like who who would you say earlier? Ultron, like all the info, Loki, like anybody. I feel like the Joker, that performance barna top. And I I think I I I think I watched

Frank Bentley (24:33.408)
Agreed. Agreed.

Frank Bentley (24:42.262)
Ultron. Look yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, I don't disagree.

Deraj (24:50.31)
The Dark Knight just for the Joker performance. after that, I would probably save Iron Man and then I'm burning Spider-Man too. Is that where you at?

Frank Bentley (24:52.631)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (25:03.203)
So we agree. First off, no, well I mean let me just do my list. I agree with the Dark Knight. Alright, so we gotta watch that. That's that's legendary. All right.

Deraj (25:07.162)
All right, Dart night. Okay, we got Dart night.

Frank Bentley (25:16.706)
You absolutely have to save Spider-Man too, bro. That is that is the pinnacle, bro. That is the pinnacle of Spider-Man. Doc Ock in Spider-Man, bro?

Deraj (25:16.922)
Gusta gusto.

Why? Wait minute. What you mean?

Deraj (25:29.158)
Better than Iron Man? Nah, bro. Bro, I feel like I feel like we wouldn't have an MCU without Iron Man for real, for real. Iron Man was the one that like kicked off this whole like MCU kind of world in a sense. Am I not? Am I lying? So you're gonna burn that? We don't got we don't got in game. Like we don't got we don't got Black Panther. We don't got none of that without Iron Man. What you talking

Frank Bentley (25:30.464)
Man, get that first Iron Man. Burn. Burn ash, bruh. What?

Be man

Frank Bentley (25:46.222)
Bro. No, you're you're not lying. You're not lying. I'm burn it.

Frank Bentley (25:58.905)
Here's thing. All right. You're not lying. All right. But out of out of if I can compartmentalize these three. Iron Man, bro, let's keep it a beam, bro. That movie is like a 6.5 at best. At best, bro. Like he doesn't even he doesn't even win the fight in the end. Pepper, Pepper is the one who wins the fight. He got his ass beat. The whole the whole show. The whole movie. Nah, bro. No. No, bro.

Deraj (26:10.396)
Cov.

Mm

You ch sh shrip it, bro.

Bro.

Deraj (26:25.784)
Iron Man over Spider Man two.

Frank Bentley (26:28.414)
Spider-Man Doc Ock. That's the best. First off, Toby Maguire is the best Spidey outside of Tom Holland. And this is Toby's best performance. The best one. Man, that's crazy. Watch Dark Knight save Spider-Man 2 and absolutely incinerate Iron Man. Get that mess out of here, dog. As an Iron Man fan, I can't believe this, bro.

Deraj (26:40.391)
Da

Deraj (26:43.967)
All right, man.

Deraj (26:48.922)
Mm.

Deraj (26:54.807)
n no, you cannot qualify. You cannot clean it up say as a RMF.

Frank Bentley (26:57.728)
Yes, I c yes I can yeah. I can't believe I th I was like, we got this. This is on lock. We all know Iron Man is is that's crazy.

Deraj (27:03.408)
Nah duh. I'm getting rid of it don't hold, man. Like when I Iron Man, that like I think as a movie, like it was just, it was groundbreaking. I think the and also too, I don't even know that Iron Man was like this is why I like it too. They made a superhero that wasn't like he's not the first superhero you ever mentioned, like

Before Iron Man came out, you never were mentioning Iron Man. You were mentioning like you know, you were mentioning Spider-Man, Batman, Superman, like The Hawk, like all of the they all you got all of the usual suspects for superhero stuff. But when they did this Iron Man, it makes everybody like nobody knew who Iron Man was until this movie came out. Like, and it that so much so that it rivals, I feel like, Spider-Man. Like

Frank Bentley (27:42.71)
Right, right.

Deraj (27:57.638)
Tony Hawk, they paired up Tony Hawk, Iron Man, and Spider-Man. That's how you know, bro. Like, it's I don't know. It's a better movie, man. All right.

Frank Bentley (28:05.782)
It's a better movie than Spider-Man is nuts. Hey, if you watching this in the comments, please. Please clarify this and agree with me. Cause I'm right. But that was a good one. Yeah. I like that.

Deraj (28:08.71)
Okay. All right. We do have to do let us please help us out. Please help us out. all right, that was a good one. That was a good one. That was a good one.

Deraj (28:28.222)
let's do like maybe two segments and then get into the the topic and then we'll pick up. and also too, I always forget to do this. Man, if you're watching, I love y'all, appreciate y'all. Be sure you drop a subscribe, a follow, share it. I feel like I'm giving you too many call to actions, but one call to action, don't even don't actually don't even follow us right now. Just drop something in the comments, let us know where you're repping from. And if you decide to follow our that's cool. But let us know where you live, where you're from, where you based, all that kind of stuff.

Frank Bentley (28:31.468)
Yeah yeah. That's I'm I'm with that.

Frank Bentley (28:43.085)
Yes.

Frank Bentley (28:53.474)
We load it.

Love it.

Deraj (28:58.126)
All right, so let's get into this first segment. I think it's an Apple Apple streaming fraud. That sounds right. All right, Mr Demisa, I think that's how you say his name.

Frank Bentley (29:02.946)
Yes, yes. Yes.

Frank Bentley (29:09.838)
Hey, he's been killing it by the way.

Deraj (29:11.462)
Yeah, shout out to him, bro. I feel like he is the like independent news source. Like independent music news source in general. All right, let me let me cue him up real quick. Any context on this that you

Frank Bentley (29:16.939)
One hundred one hundred percent.

Frank Bentley (29:25.154)
so pretty much for the most part we're starting to see where there's a an extreme influx of AI music being pulling from the same pool that r real artists are getting paid out of. and what Apple is doing is pulling a lot of these fraudulent songs off of these platforms. so Apple music is one of the first ones to do it. I think this is the beginning

Deraj (29:49.137)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (29:54.411)
of this happening, as I've been saying, you know, the Sunowers Yeah.

Deraj (30:00.095)
All right, let me pull this up. Let me see if we can hear what they're talking about.

Frank Bentley (30:24.11)
That's crazy.

Deraj (31:45.315)
Ha ha ha.

Frank Bentley (31:45.76)
Chill, chill, chill.

Deraj (31:51.75)
All right, all right. What does this mean for any artists? Talk to us.

Frank Bentley (31:54.701)
Well, the first thing that's that's quite upsetting, I'm gonna keep it a bean. Seventeen million dollars. All right. Seventeen million dollars went to people who were fraudulently using DSPs. eighty five percent

Of the music that has been uploaded that was fraudulent, if I'm not mistaken, was AI generated. and they're saying that AI is being used to hypercharge the streaming fraud, which further pushes the argument that AI music, bro. Like, I understand the the the the the gate of entry is easier, but I don't think

It's worth the the the the ends do not justify the means. Seventeen million dollars out of actual musicians' hands is actually crazy. so I hope I hope from what I'm reading is that Apple is going to demonetize this, and then that would then put the seventeen million back into the pool that we regular artists, real artists get paid out of. but th yeah, this is it's upsetting.

Deraj (32:50.054)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (33:09.236)
But am I surprised by it? Absolutely not.

Deraj (33:12.442)
Yeah, it's it's a staggering amount of like I guess it's it's so crazy 'cause I don't I don't know and I guess maybe just the circus we run. I don't know a lot of people that are like making purely AI general music and just uploading it. But the the sheer volume of music that is just being uploaded is it's it still just like amazes me, but

Frank Bentley (33:28.781)
Yeah.

Deraj (33:41.412)
I do like how there's just becoming more regulation around it and it's forcing like it feels like it's moving a lot quicker than what you would expect. It it almost feels like it's moving somewhat as quickly as the tech is developing, which you don't typically see that I feel like with it's especially in the music industry and when you're dealing with you know,

this is not necessarily the government, but like if there's things that involve like government movement or could potentially be a legal issue that needs to re you know, enforce or should me like change laws around like how this stuff is handled, it's usually a lot slower. And then also, yeah, but I I I think I like it the speed at which some of this stuff is actually happening and the DSPs. And I think Apple is really Apple seems to be the right

Frank Bentley (34:20.076)
Yeah. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (34:27.062)
It's happening. Yeah.

Deraj (34:35.014)
Like I feel like they they would almost be looked at as a leader in this in in this p this type of you know, pursuit or whatever you want to call it, because Apple always seems to have like this eco friendly type approach, like we wanna do what's best for the world. You know what I mean? It's like we for the most part, you know what I mean? I think at least their branding at least communicates that when they're

Frank Bentley (34:55.712)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. For the most part. Right, right.

Deraj (35:01.51)
Doing all of their launches, it always seems like they're trying to build tech that h supports human thriving, yada yada. And so and no well, no, I was gonna say that they actually don't pay the most on streaming side. I think title does, but yeah, either way, I think I'm curious to see how Apple, you know

Frank Bentley (35:14.488)
Yeah, title does. They got that.

Deraj (35:23.332)
Like the other i in addition to this, other moves that Apple does and what type of stances they take, you know, for or against AI when it comes to music, 'cause they seem very pro creator, you know what I

Frank Bentley (35:34.349)
Yeah. I I I genuinely do believe after a while, I think because of how open and how accessible AI is to just the average user. I I'm I was at the airport not too long ago, and I seen like these two dudes sitting up across from each other and they are on Suno, like jamming. And I walk by and of course, of course, like

Deraj (35:56.978)
You and you threw their laptops on the ground and started

Frank Bentley (36:01.43)
I wan I wanted to. I wanted to pick their laptops up and just snap in half, bro. Like, what are y'all doing? Y'all jamming to something that y'all didn't even create like I digress on that. But what I will say is the point is that I do think that that you can't regulate that. I think eventually what Apple's gonna do is that AI is not gonna be allowed on there. Like

Deraj (36:14.161)
Yeah.

Deraj (36:23.868)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (36:24.724)
Lawsuit. If I'm losing seventeen million, there's lawsuit, there's this, there's that, I eventually do think that Apple is gonna be like, nah, we don't want it on the platform. And it's that's y'all fault. That's you soonerers. That's y'all fault. Y'all did this. 'Cause y'all cheating. I wonder what else in your life you're cheating on. Never mind. I'll just kid I'll just joking. I'm joking. I'm joking. I kid. I kid. I kid. I kid. I'm joking. Am I?

Deraj (36:35.302)
Yeah.

Deraj (36:41.434)
Yeah, I think

Deraj (36:53.55)
He's not. He's not, yeah. Yeah, man. It's crazy times out here, man. I yeah, so we'll we'll see what how that develops, but I guess that's just you know, news for all the independent artists out there. Apple is at least trying to find ways to put more music back in your pocket. And they also, I guess I I I've I missed the part. They were saying they were trying to redistribute, I think, some of the funds or something like that. I think.

Frank Bentley (36:55.51)
Yeah. But

Yeah.

Frank Bentley (37:07.416)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (37:16.526)
Yeah, I'm guessing what they're gonna do. I'm really thinking Apple is just gonna go get their money back. And then a fancy way of saying we're gonna redistribute nah, y'all just want y'all money back, which is okay. So they're gonna get their money back. I mff Listen, if I'm Apple Music, we got ways.

Deraj (37:22.15)
Okay.

Deraj (37:27.548)
How you h how how they gonna get their money back if they already paid it out?

Deraj (37:35.218)
He said, We already got all your data. Yeah, somebody gets subpoenaed. Affidavit. All right, man. which what segment you wanna do next? You wanna do

Frank Bentley (37:36.814)
That's that's that's all I can say. You know what I'm saying? Like somebody getting subpoenaed. You you know what I'm saying? So that's what's happening, bro. So yeah, that's that's that.

Frank Bentley (37:54.383)
let's I would say let's let's let's go into something else music related.

Deraj (38:02.39)
let's see. we got I mean, I guess if we wanna do culture attack, that's another AI which

Frank Bentley (38:09.981)
yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's we c we can it's a great segue into that. so yeah.

Deraj (38:15.214)
Yeah, so this is from tech startups. Let me share my screen. Tech startups.com. And the hold on, let me get this out. The headline says Top Tech News Today, Google Meta, Open AI, Robin Hood, SpaceX. Hold on, wait, this is no.

Frank Bentley (38:22.177)
Yep.

Frank Bentley (38:35.727)
that I think what they did here is just looped everything that's the main title into one. Yeah yeah yeah.

Deraj (38:40.088)
Until one. Yeah. Okay. So let's talk about what you could you pulled this article. Like, what were you saying? It it's it's basically you were the the AI's gone rogue. Like it's it's found loopholes in the song code.

Frank Bentley (38:48.578)
Yeah, yeah. So Yeah, which is crazy is report surfaced that AI models from Meta and OpenAI, which is probably one of the two most popular ones, have slipped containment during security tests and began rewriting systems they were never meant to touch.

Deraj (39:07.858)
So this is what everybody feared. This is giving them all ammunition of like to hate I hate AI.

Frank Bentley (39:08.576)
Listen. Listen, everything this bro.

Bro, we've seen we've seen this movie, how it plays out, bro. We've seen how it plays out. and with these the two major heavy hitters, which I would also argue that they probably have the tightest security or the best AI models. The AI models was like, I'm gonna rewrite this system over here while you're not looking. That's kind of crazy. That's where our three bottles of water is going to, bro.

Deraj (39:30.021)
Right.

Deraj (39:37.831)
Mm-hmm.

Deraj (39:42.89)
Somebody was commenting on that stuff. They was like, I'll like they were making a counter argument that AI is not stealing water, it's it's cooling the I don't know what it was, but it was they were nigga.

Frank Bentley (39:52.121)
He's a psunower. Whoever said that, you're a psunower. That's why. You like that's what it is. That's what's happening.

Deraj (39:58.614)
I don't know. I I just look, we just find headlines and we just talk about I haven't done no deep research to see if this it's valid. But that's what everybody say.

Frank Bentley (40:02.804)
We talk yeah. Yeah. D the thing about it is, that's what everybody's saying and at the end of the day,

This is one of those things that we've seen the movie iRobot and y'all seen how it turned out. Believe take what really. I mean, we probably need to study it because we're living in it in twenty twenty six. So at the end of the day, take take it how you will.

Deraj (40:20.282)
It's one of my favorite movies, by the way. Yeah.

Deraj (40:33.852)
So do we have any more details? I'm I was trying to pull this article up and see if

Frank Bentley (40:38.23)
Yeah, let me see if I can I can pull up the like I'm pretty sure someone I watched Demisa talk about it on Instagram again. yeah, I can l I can look and see if he has something. Let me see.

Deraj (40:45.628)
Did you do you have his link? Can you find that link? Because I would I would love to pull it up. Why are you doing it? It just kind of reminds me. I saw another, I talked about it briefly, I think, on another episode or one of our earlier episodes where they put together like this AI town. And it was all of the different models were they created like it's basically like a little Sims town, and it was like,

Frank Bentley (40:58.839)
Yeah yeah.

Deraj (41:12.806)
You know, Groc had its own little Sims Town, Open AI, Claude, I maybe Gemini or something, I can't remember, but they just kind of let them, you know, run their course and they could basically work or excuse me, live autonomously and they just started wreaking havoc. They was like unaliving themselves and burning down villages and Yeah. I gotta find maybe I can find that giant R.

Frank Bentley (41:32.632)
That is scary, bro. That is absolutely scary, bro.

Frank Bentley (41:39.436)
Hold on, I found I found something. I'm gonna add it in here, bro.

Deraj (41:42.332)
Put it in the chat in a in the river can you yeah, put it in the riverside chat. I'll grab it.

Frank Bentley (41:47.425)
Yeah, let's do let's pull this up. Cause I do think that this is a because I think people are using AI. I'm included in this when I say this. because AI has definitely helped in terms of a tool. You know what I'm saying? I don't think AI can replace your taste, but the tool. Now what I will say is

Deraj (42:03.569)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (42:11.416)
We're not actually realizing what AI is doing on the back end and I do think we're gonna end up paying for it. But that's why we wanna keep everyone in the loop of what's g actually going on. but here, yes, I found the copy the clipboard.

Deraj (42:21.606)
Mm-hmm.

Deraj (42:27.452)
Do you think AI is gonna be as integrated and important as the internet? You remember like when the internet, you know, well you may not remember, I don't really remember when the internet really became a thing, but I don't I don't

Frank Bentley (42:40.47)
We were there early enough where you had dial up, you know what I'm saying, where it came to be.

Deraj (42:44.076)
Yeah. I remember I d I I wasn't old enough to remember like when everybody was like the internet is here. Like I I don't I don't remember that. But I remember the earlier days of the internet. I most remember life with internet than without it. But I can't imagine life without the internet at this point. You know what I mean? Like how did people live without the internet before?

Frank Bentley (42:51.885)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (43:00.223)
Right.

Frank Bentley (43:03.872)
I I think Yeah, I think I think we're there already. I think we're there already. Well, I think we're quickly approaching there. We me and my wife, which is so crazy, once you s once I start seeing it take over normal functions and it becomes a normal part of life, then yes. So we pull up to Wendy's and there's no longer an actual person taking your order at Wendy's, it's an AI. So

Deraj (43:29.421)
recently that happened?

Frank Bentley (43:30.381)
Yeah, recently. So you pull up to yeah, you pull up to it and it's a AI talking back to me and I'll be like, no, can you take that off? And it'll be like, Yes, we could take that off and it's doing the whole order and I pull No, it's AI. No, it's AI. It it it it tells you. It gives you like a little quick, a little quick what you call a rundown rundown when you pull up. Yeah. So this is a real life real in the field. we order and I get to the the drive thru and I'm like

Deraj (43:41.658)
Are you sure it's AI is not just somebody backed it? Really? How you know?

Deraj (43:48.455)
Wait a minute. It took over fast food.

Frank Bentley (43:59.503)
Hey, is that y'all got AI? he was like, Yeah, we got AI. I was like, This is crazy. Not now, I ain't asked them personally how they they felt about it, but I I gotta spend a block, I gotta go back and talk to them about it. But just something as simple as that, I do think that we're gonna start getting used to just talking to AI instead of an actual person. For something as simple as fast food, like.

Deraj (44:03.73)
Did you ask them how they feel about it?

Deraj (44:09.638)
You gotta spend a block. You gotta spend a block, bro.

Deraj (44:26.332)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (44:27.434)
supposedly it's also integrating itself within the medical field as well, like them using AI and robots where now you can have a remote surgeon in New York use a robot in Florida and give you a a a a surgery.

Deraj (44:33.223)
Mm-hmm.

Deraj (44:37.04)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deraj (44:45.806)
Now you know they probably gonna put some ill regulations around some stuff like that. Like they don't put they don't they put regulations around the music stuff, but they the government gonna step in. They start doing surgeries with AI like autonomously, like the government definitely gonna like step in because the government and also like big pharma and like these big hospitals and all that kind of stuff, because they don't want no smoke from no, you know, lawsuits that happen or some malpractice because of AI.

Frank Bentley (44:49.827)
they gonna have to. They're gonna have to.

Deraj (45:15.608)
know the code got wrong, that joint started glitching, and now your heart gone. You know what I mean? Yeah, you got a third nose, I don't know. Yeah end up getting a vasectomy. You came in there to get your tonsils removed. You know something you under anesthesia. You ain't gonna know you're gonna wake up be like

Frank Bentley (45:19.33)
That's crazy. It start ripping you up. Bro, you just went up. You just went up in there to get your appendix removed. Do a double a double lung transplant. Golly. Hey, that's that's crazy. Hey, I still got

Frank Bentley (45:41.262)
yeah. That's the scary part. That's the scary part of it all.

Deraj (45:44.998)
Nah man. did you you send me a link?

Frank Bentley (45:48.502)
Yeah, I put the link in the the the the drop down there for us.

Deraj (45:51.11)
The the flow show flow? All right. Okay, I see, I see it here.

Frank Bentley (45:55.853)
Yeah. That's scary. But I guess that that's already a thing that's happening. Remote surgeries, which is we there.

Deraj (45:57.657)
Deraj (47:17.656)
So it's basi