The Neue.Indie Podcast

Deraj (00:19.455)
All right, but you can hear that, right?

Deraj (00:26.503)
This one though.

Trash.

Deraj (00:33.511)
turn these down a little bit. I'm trying to be blaring.

Deraj (00:47.261)
They come in as separate tracks. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it sees all of them separately. Which is great. That's why I love Riverside. Riverside stuff. Yeah. All right. Let's get this thing going. What's up, y'all? Welcome to the new Indy. I'm going to get this intro right one of these days. What? There we go.

What up, what up, what up, what up, yeah. Welcome, welcome. I'm excited. Frank, how you feeling?

Deraj (01:26.067)
We got another one, man. I like the consistency. That's what we always preach in consistency.

And we've been on it recently. All right, man. Let's let's let's see what we got, what we got on the docket for this episode. I think we're gonna try to we're gonna try to run the segments again at the top like we did because it it seemed like it felt good last episode. So y'all let us know if y'all like the the segments at the top or y'all prefer a little later in the segment, or excuse me, later in the episode.

Let us know the comments. But today's topic is gonna be around the psychology of procrastination. Lord knows. Lord knows. And Frank, this is this is something that that you, you know, you you're gonna take some lead on. What what why did this like what what sparked this one? I'm curious.

Frank Bentley (02:18.766)
It's it's something personal for me, you know what I'm saying? I think procrastination, back in the day it used to take me months to write a record, bro. Like I was just like, It has to be perfect You know what I'm saying? so it's something dear to my heart and I think that once I got over that hurdle I I seen my career take off, you know what I'm saying? So I think it'll be a great help.

Deraj (02:31.015)
Really?

Deraj (02:42.621)
Yeah. We're gonna dig into that. That's a good one though. That's good. your your your mic turned up. I just like that. I like that. It sounds better now. It was it felt low now. It's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't realize it was low until sweet. All right. Sweet. So we're gonna talk about that, the psychology of procrastination. Also, in music business news.

Frank Bentley (02:46.348)
Yes, sir. Burn that hard drive. Put it out, man. You know what I'm saying? Like

Frank Bentley (02:54.626)
It sounds better. Okay, perfect, perfect. Okay, it's 'cause I just got c Yeah. I got closer to it, yeah, yeah. But yeah, man.

Deraj (03:11.839)
It's an interesting headline. Does Suno really give you full copyright ownership of your song? That was something that yeah, yeah. I feel like AI is is gonna be the buzz in the music scene for a while. So I guess we'll keep talk we'll keep talking about it. It's on brand. We are the new indie. We gotta talk about this stuff. So also on film and entertainment, this was dope. Spider Man Noir drops May twenty seventh.

Frank Bentley (03:18.358)
Mm.

Frank Bentley (03:25.204)
It is. Absolutely. A hundred percent.

Deraj (03:39.353)
And this is the the black and white Spider Man. Like it's it got a whole whole different vibe. W is like Nick Cage leading it, right? Is that the

Frank Bentley (03:44.481)
Yeah.

Yep, Nicholas Cage is the and he's also the voice actor in the into the Spider-Verse and now he's the Yeah, so now he's the lead actor, which is this comes full circle, which is dope. Yeah. Yeah.

Deraj (03:52.744)
He is.

Deraj (03:58.173)
Yeah, yeah, we're gonna talk about that. some tech news it looks like or culture tech current event news car scout traveler R. E. V. E. R. E. V. What it

Frank Bentley (04:11.87)
E-R-E-V. Yeah. Are you are you into electric cars, vehicles? Ooh, okay. Yeah. Okay. All right. We'll talk about that.

Deraj (04:16.391)
Well, I got a Tesla, so to that extent, to that extent. All right. Yeah. So this was this was one of Frank's segments. So I'm curious about the I haven't even seen this one, dude. I just saw it on the on our little show flow. And then lastly, all systems in one. So we're talking about gaming. W it it seems like there's a headline of combined. Yeah, what was that?

Frank Bentley (04:28.418)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (04:37.6)
Yeah, so yeah, she put a Nintendo Wii and Xbox and a PlayStation, fully functional, the hardware into one system. And what does that look like? That that's actually fire. And will she get in trouble for this? Yeah, will she get in trouble for this? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deraj (04:51.817)
I'm sure. That's what I've said. That would be my next question. When are the lawsuits coming for that? That sounds fire, though. I mean, you know. All right, we're gonna check that out. And then lastly, we're gonna talk about some sync stuff. What's the best way to make money with music? Sync. It is sync the best way to make money with music. My bad. I misread that. I would say.

Frank Bentley (05:01.098)
It's fire. It how she did it looks it looks dope. So

Frank Bentley (05:13.546)
Is is sync is sync yeah. With music.

Deraj (05:20.443)
Actually, I'm not gonna say what I want to say right now because I got a bias, but not yet. Let's get into this this Suno news real quick. See if I can share my screen. This is a okay, so this is not a video. This is just carousel. But maybe you can give some some context while I'm pulling this up, Frank.

Frank Bentley (05:22.594)
Not yet. Not yet.

Frank Bentley (05:30.648)
Bad bat.

Frank Bentley (05:37.45)
I think Yeah. Let's see.

Deraj (05:45.855)
There we go.

Frank Bentley (05:49.016)
Boom, the sooner really give you full copyright ownership of your song. I think that this is a especially around AI creation. I think this is the this is the overarching question. You know what I'm saying? Like people wanna abuse AI and create AI artists, and I think that this person tackled it fairly well here. I could've sworn it was a video.

Deraj (06:08.303)
All right. Let's read it. Was it? Maybe hold let me go through and see if there's a a video maybe at the end.

That's a hella long post though.

Frank Bentley (06:20.942)
Just a hella long post. Let's read it. Let's Yeah.

Deraj (06:23.423)
All right, let me yeah, let me read some of it. does Suno really give you full copyright ownership of your song? So, full copy or excuse me, disclaimer, a couple caveats. I am not a lawyer, and this is not an anti-AI post. My goal is simply to help artists and songwriters understand ownership, copyright, publishing, and the gray areas that currently exist because many people generally don't genuinely don't understand what these terms actually mean yet. This is

Frank Bentley (06:52.75)
Yeah.

Deraj (06:52.777)
Very true. Yeah. So if someone says I own the song, usually means I own the copyright to the lyrics and melody. Make sense? It's two sparks to a yeah. in other words, who actually authored the composition, who created the lyrics, the melody, and the musical expression, that's the conversation that must be had. And so

Frank Bentley (07:04.159)
Makes sense. Yes, sir.

Deraj (07:20.029)
I'm assuming when he said okay, the copyright. So you're talking about the master and publishing, basically. So yeah everybody has different ways that they talk about master and publishing. It always throws me off. Like I was talking to my attorney, my music attorney the other day, and I was explaining a deal to her, and we both had to like get to an alignment on what do we mean when we're talking about the different sides of the song so that we could actually like take the deal. Anyway, finish the deal out. But

Frank Bentley (07:23.03)
Yeah, pretty much.

Yeah, for sure. yeah.

Frank Bentley (07:44.063)
Right, right.

Deraj (07:47.711)
I'll keep reading. I've seen many comments saying I paid for Suno Pro, therefore I fully own my song. But that is But is that what Suno's own terms of services is really saying or services really says? Here's Suno's exact wording. Suno hereby assigns to you, or here hold us Suno hereby assigns to you all of its right title and interests.

In and to any output owned by Suno. Notice the word owned by Suno. That's that's an interesting clarification right there. Then immediately after that, their terms say this: due to the nature of machine learning, Suno makes no representation or warranty to you that any copyright will vest any will will vest in any output.

Frank Bentley (08:23.554)
Very interesting. Very interesting.

Deraj (08:42.589)
Read that again carefully. It says, due to the nature of machine learning, SUNY SUNO makes no representation or warranty to you that any copyright will will vest in any output. I'll keep reading. Their terms also say output may not be unique across users, and the service may generate the same or similar output for a third party. shoot. That creates an obvious question, it's saying.

Questions around originality, exclusivity, ownership, copyright disputes. This is good. This is a good carousel. I'm gonna keep going. my goal is to educate and empower artists and songwriters. Again, this is not an anti-AI post. AI is an amazing tool, but it is moving faster than the legal system. And I it hold on, wait. That that's a bar right there. I I don't think people realize that. AI

Frank Bentley (09:16.834)
Yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (09:34.402)
Yeah. Yeah.

Deraj (09:36.379)
Is moving way faster than anything we've seen, especially the legal system group. You how slow that is to adopt stuff. Yeah, man. And I I don't believe we yet know how this will all shake out. Many artists I talk to just don't do not understand the gray areas yet. I'll keep reading. And so hold on. Okay. And if you want to use Suno for a demo or for creative arrangement ideas, go for it. But if you're but if your goal is is a professional.

Frank Bentley (09:41.282)
facts that's gonna be slow as yeah.

Deraj (10:06.425)
Is a professional music career, I want to encourage you to write your own songs without the help of AI, both the lyrics and the melody. And you should absolutely understand what you own, what you may not own, and what the terms actually say. Amen it is. And shout out to Chris Mol Chris Molotor. Shout out Chris Molotor.

Frank Bentley (10:21.676)
Men. Chris Molator. Yeah, shut out. Hey man, I feel like, I feel like this is this is the conversation that needs to be had. I mean, it's a pretty long carousel, but I think it's dope, especially for the indie artists and people who are, you know, you're you're scared that AI is gonna take your job. Realistically, when you look at that.

Most companies are not gonna wanna use an AI song because of that. You know what I mean? So it's like you gotta you gotta be careful.

Deraj (10:52.381)
Yeah, it's so like Yeah, it's so ambiguous. You know, it's very I mean they say it a lot, it's just everything's wild wild west, but I feel like this really is. It's so unprecedented, like how quick all of this stuff is moving. And this is one of those things too, like, and and I wonder how many artists who, you know, listen to this or just are pursuing music on some

Frank Bentley (11:04.79)
Yeah.

Deraj (11:19.087)
level of seriousness, you know what I mean? Like really understand what copyright means, like understands how master publishing, writer splits, all this kind of stuff really works. And I'm, you know, I know enough to be dangerous. Like we we run a company around it. So we need to have a working knowledge of how these things affect, you know, across the board when it comes to us representing music, us pitching music, you know, for brands and TV shows and all this other kind of stuff. But

Frank Bentley (11:37.036)
Yeah. A hundred percent.

Deraj (11:47.869)
You know, when I when I left the la actually during the time with the label, and even when I left the label that first year, I was still very ignorant to to all of this stuff. You know what I mean? I barely knew actually I I really didn't know what my my PROs were doing, you know what mean? So and that's the that's the thing that's always the question for me around AI is just like, well, you know, I know there's a sound recording, I know there's lyrics and melody that's creating, you know, the

Frank Bentley (11:57.614)
So what?

Deraj (12:16.381)
you know, the underlying work of of what we're actually hearing as far as the output, and it's taking fragments of all that kind of stuff, you know what I mean, to output. And I'm just like, I I don't it's hard to know that Suno can claim like any ownership or provide any type of, you know, ownership because it's all sparse from people that they didn't get permission from. So that's the that's the dangerous thing, I feel like.

Frank Bentley (12:34.349)
Which is

Frank Bentley (12:39.234)
From everybody. Yeah.

Deraj (12:44.051)
Powerful tool, but I don't know if it's ready for the legal ramifications right now. So

Frank Bentley (12:47.094)
Man, but the cra the crazy part is there's a there's a whole page that I I don't want to say I follow them. I more I'm more so nosy. I'm nosy. All right, I'm nosy, right? But I hit I hit the follow button just to see. There are legit people there's a Suno artist group of people who are claiming to be I'm gonna tread lightly, they're claiming to be artists, but all they do is use Suno.

Deraj (12:54.993)
You follow them. You follow them. You hit the follow button.

Frank Bentley (13:16.734)
and they're they're sharing their numbers, bro. They're like they're sharing their they're sharing their their AI image, they're sharing the the songs that they created, and then they're also sharing their their their distro kit and their tune core. And I'm just like I'm seeing like there's one AI artist, he was like, Yeah, I started it three months ago and I'm bringing in 10k a month. You know what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, it's like, how? What?

Deraj (13:18.739)
Ha ha ha.

Deraj (13:28.895)
How much I make it.

Deraj (13:40.925)
What I'm about to start a I'm about to start a faceless AI on this bit. Yeah, I we should we should talk about that. That's so funny, but but yeah, man, that's the that's that's the crazy thing about it. I've I and I I like some of the measures that a excuse me Spotify is taking to try to, you know, differentiate between that which was

Frank Bentley (13:46.286)
Facts, bro. Facts. Like slime dot, but

We should we should yeah.

Deraj (14:10.841)
one one hundred percent human created or whatever that, you know, however you, you know, feel about that versus that which was you know, generative output, AI, da da da. Cause I mean, I just do think it's I think it's good for clarity, especially while we're trying to work out the the legal stuff that's going on. You know what I mean? 'Cause that's like so I I I think we should probably talk about Slime Dot a bit. Like t tell us about who's what Slime or who SlimeDot is for those who don't know.

Frank Bentley (14:33.56)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (14:38.007)
SlimeDot is what I thought was a fully AI generated artist. I'm not gonna lie. I heard the records and I'm just like, these are fire, bro. And you sent you sent me a bar. You sent me a bar, and I was like, if AI is right in this bar, then it's very scary. All right, we're in a dangerous place. but yeah. But then it came out.

Deraj (14:50.227)
Fuego.

Frank Bentley (15:04.172)
That you sent me. I think you s did you send it to me yes last night or yesterday? Whenever. Yeah. where GQ put out a whole article and said this is a real person. So

Deraj (15:07.857)
I sent it you like a couple of hours ago, I think.

Deraj (15:15.665)
Yeah. Which threw me. So Slum Dot is like this w I I don't know how to cla 'cause this I wanna say the verdict's out, but this article made me it was very convincing as far as like so it's a it's a female artist, or at least a AI presenting female artist. You gotta get your pronouns right now, right? But she she does this, you know, you know, very

Frank Bentley (15:32.574)
Right. Right. That's crazy. Yeah.

Deraj (15:39.955)
You know, kind of art R and B, like very trendy in a scissors, kalani type, you know, vibe and the music is is really good. Yeah, I don't care if you like AI or don't like I like if it is AI and you say this is this is bad, like you're just I f I feel like you probably just hating, you know what I mean? 'Cause it's really good. But I think it wouldn't make it I would be that much more impressed, you know, if this is an actual artist pinning all this and that's it's their vocals and all that kind of stuff or

Frank Bentley (15:43.267)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (15:51.736)
Can't deny it.

Frank Bentley (15:56.322)
You a hater. You hatin'. Yeah.

Deraj (16:08.615)
And maybe it's a hybrid. Maybe that's maybe that's something that SlimeDot is not telling us. Maybe this is a hybrid kind of thing. Because she got pictures with Drake. You know what I mean? She had which you which you could deep fake it if you want. But again, like what's throwing me is like this whole GQ backing and it's on there with like it's it's it's and I there is a disclaimer, it's GQ South Africa or something like that, which I didn't know that was a thing, but they got 120,000 followers.

Frank Bentley (16:13.13)
It's playing off of. It is. It probably is.

Frank Bentley (16:19.853)
Is that real?

You could. That's a crazy deep thing.

Frank Bentley (16:33.613)
Yeah, yeah.

Deraj (16:36.563)
I didn't do a deep dive. Maybe it's maybe that account's fake too, but I'm assuming it's not. I'm I'm taking this this I'm taking the w the the word of the post. I I saw the post, she she posted it, and the article was just like, Hey, you know, people are calling you AI. You haven't really done a lot to try to combat that narrative. Why is that? And so she's and and I will say, if this is all if this is a actual human, like this is like the the chick that we're seeing.

Frank Bentley (16:41.917)
yeah.

Frank Bentley (16:45.805)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (17:05.304)
Yeah.

Deraj (17:05.605)
in the on the page, you know, this her vocals, da da da da. Her marketing campaign is fire, bro, cause yeah, it's running her up so much attention. I would almost just pay attention to the rollout and how she's maneuvering this joint.

Frank Bentley (17:09.72)
Bro. Is fire. Fire. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (17:18.976)
It's it's realistically, like if it is AI, if she is AI, and some some way, because I went on her page, I don't see a I don't see a concert, I don't see like a real video of her talking, but that could be marketing, you know what I'm saying? It could be on purpose. And if it is on purpose, n there's no way around it. The the roll out the rollout is impeccable. Hats off. I can't even be mad. It's so fire, like so.

Deraj (17:22.772)
Yeah.

Deraj (17:33.737)
All purpose. Yeah.

Deraj (17:38.887)
Hass off. Hass off. That's off, bro. Yeah. And her and her her whole tone is very anti-system. Like it's very, you know, kind of in your face, F you to the camera. Like it has that kind of edge and grit to her. you know, to her her whole story. So it would make sense. It would be very on brand. And and I think it's a it's smart, you know what I mean, to play and lean into this whole.

Frank Bentley (17:49.246)
yeah.

Frank Bentley (17:55.533)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (18:07.544)
Yeah.

Deraj (18:07.739)
I'm a am I AI or am I not? She got bars talking about she's AI in the joint. You know what I mean? So I'm like, I'm so thrown off, but I I you know, I'm I'm the I'm the Michael Jackson meme with the popcorn right now. I'm just kinda s

Frank Bentley (18:11.523)
Borg.

Right.

I don't know.

Frank Bentley (18:21.642)
facts. We just wa we just we just spectators. We fans, which is is is is is scary to say.

Deraj (18:24.636)
I'm seeing where this go.

Story developing. All right. we forgot to do the check-in, man. How you been, by the way? How you been?

Frank Bentley (18:30.858)
Yeah, yeah, we'll see.

Frank Bentley (18:36.38)
I'm check in. I'm doing good. This week has been a little bit more stressful. just with I was on full daddy duty alone. Yeah, we had to push it back. So just trying to balance the schedules. it's I'm used to juggling now. So I'll say I'm probably at like being optimistic, I'm at a eight. I'm at a eight. Being optimistic, I'm at a eight, you know.

Deraj (18:40.297)
Yeah.

Deraj (18:47.219)
Yeah, we had to push the push the podcast time back. You had the

Deraj (19:01.011)
He's an optimistic. I feel that. I feel that. Yeah, man. I I would say probably the same for me. I was well, it depends. Like I'll talk about just my last week. Cause I've been I don't I don't care what I if I talked about this on the last spot or not, but I've been in the trenches trying to update our curriculum for our community. So for those who

Frank Bentley (19:04.886)
They still got a long week left, yeah. So how you doing?

Deraj (19:29.993)
You probably know by now we run a community called Rep Indy helping Indy Hip Hop artists get their music of TV and film. And I was noticing, just keeping a 100, we were having more cancellation requests than I'm used to or or like to see. And it is it's one of those things where I know, like, man, we got a really good product. You know, it's it's very one on one. Like we've helped a lot of people, but you know, and this is I think something too, just for all

independent creatives, like entrepreneurs, all that kind of stuff. Like these are just ebbs and flows of business. Like you'll have times when, you know, the market might signal something that they're wanting and that might look like, you know, how it's affecting your your ROI, or retention or any of that kind of stuff. And so I was noticing it, which we historically haven't gotten a lot of cancellations, but now we have and I I

Frank Bentley (20:15.789)
Yeah.

Deraj (20:25.989)
I I've wanted to audit, you know, maybe what what was causing that. And so one of the things you always hear is that within the first 30 days, especially when you're doing like memberships and retention offers and stuff like that, the first 30 days really matter. And this is our first time offering it in this kind of way, because we used to do it where you could only join th during a certain window. And it's kind of still like that, but you can only join during a certain window and there's kind of like a clear start and stop.

Frank Bentley (20:50.071)
Uhhuh.

Deraj (20:55.443)
And I think that model helps people be a little bit more engaged because that was like school, you know what I mean? It's like everybody's doing it at the same time, yada, yada. and so this model now is kind of it's open green. So peop open is evergreen, so people are coming in at different places. And so when you're jumping into something that's already established, already moving, you're kind of just the momentum, you have to find ways to create that momentum for people.

Frank Bentley (21:01.783)
Right.

Frank Bentley (21:05.102)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (21:18.443)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Frank Bentley (21:23.627)
Right.

Deraj (21:24.631)
And we've done it well in some ways because we got people who have joined as is and they're just like they're sold it, you know, they're sold out, bought in, like they're they're landing agency deals, getting placements, all that kind of stuff. So I know it works, but it was just something I the the data was just showing it to me. So you gotta pay attention to that stuff. So I was like, hey, I think we need to figure and it actually I was talking to Claude. Claude actually gave me this idea, which it's validated through stuff already. Yeah, man, it's validated through stuff I know.

Frank Bentley (21:31.885)
Thriving.

Frank Bentley (21:48.716)
Mm, good old cloud.

Claudette.

Deraj (21:53.833)
Claude, let's go. And so it was, I was, and here's the thing. I was, I was actually about to, you know, see if we needed to start running like accountability groups. Because that's one thing we did early on that we phased out. but Claude was just like, because I was asking her how to how to logistically do that, and it was just like, well, here's how you do it. But it, and this is why I love Claude, because it was challenging me. He's like, but

Frank Bentley (21:55.203)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (22:07.04)
Mm. Yeah.

Deraj (22:21.001)
Did you actually interview the people who are canceling and and getting more clarity around why they're actually canceling the extra surve which we have, the extra survey, because you might be solving a problem that doesn't really need to be solved as far as, you know, this whole accountability group thing. It may be something different. And here's why I love Claude, because I had it go inside of ClickUp, our project management software, and also go inside our JOT form.

Frank Bentley (22:25.986)
That that that exit. Yeah.

Deraj (22:48.613)
And comb through all of the cancellation requests that we got to find out what was the theme of while peop theme why people, bro, that joint did in like five minutes. I'm like, you know how long it would have taken me and my team to go through that and get qualitative data and come up with a solution. It was like it actually said just, you know, we need to do a 30 day runway. You know what mean? which is true. Like they say that a lot in memberships. It's like that first 30 days is really crucial.

Frank Bentley (22:53.634)
What was the the thing? that's crazy. Amazing.

Frank Bentley (23:02.414)
Hours. Might have been days, bro. Yeah.

Deraj (23:18.359)
I think with anything, like getting people like quick wins is helpful. And that's also something that I I I'm also putting myself in the shoes of artists as they're coming in. It's like, yo, what if I were an artist coming in now, what would be exciting for me? And I know most artists want to figure out how do I pitch my music? Like, how do I get my music into the right hands? So that was something I think I'm it worked for us in the past, but again, you evolve as a business. And I was like,

Frank Bentley (23:22.605)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (23:36.994)
Hundred a hundred percent.

Deraj (23:46.011)
Right now they don't get to that until like module six, you know what I mean, which is probably like a month and a half into the joint, depending on how how quickly they go. And so I'm just noticing people may not be getting that far through the module. So I said, we're gonna condense this thing. We have now so anyway, I was building a whole 30 day run roadmap where they're actually understanding the industry, pitching their music all within the first thirty days so they can get their first agency deal. so all that's to say that was a heavy lift over these past couple weeks.

Frank Bentley (23:50.55)
Frank Bentley (24:04.589)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (24:14.654)
A hundred percent.

Deraj (24:15.167)
And yeah, it was just weighing on me to get this thing off my plate. That that was the frog that I was eating this week. But so finally got all the videos shot and organized and so now we're just it's kinda back in admin stuff. So long way to say that I was overwhelmed last week. I ain't gonna hold you, but came into this week a lot lighter because of that. So

Frank Bentley (24:22.978)
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Frank Bentley (24:35.522)
Major. Yeah.

Frank Bentley (24:40.172)
That's dope. That's dope to hear. Cause I think most people probably see what you created and it's like, everything just goes right all the time. So it's good to hear it's good to hear like, nah, you gotta adjust and and and make them changes. So that's super dope.

Deraj (24:47.582)
Yeah.

Deraj (24:53.265)
Yeah, and that's and that's why I took a little bit longer. I wanted to talk through it because it's I mean, it's real, you know. Like going it's especially as it and I guess it's good to for them to also see like, man, everything ain't always you know, we got a platform and people can see this and be like, they got the lights and like they land places. But there's yeah, there's other stuff. We gotta still get it out the mud, you know, especially with, you know, new business initiatives. But you know, it's part of being a new indie, you know what I mean?

Frank Bentley (24:57.794)
Yeah, yeah. It's real.

Frank Bentley (25:08.385)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (25:18.008)
Yeah. It is, yes sir.

Deraj (25:22.175)
All right, let's talk about this. what is it? This Nicholas Cage is unhinged as Spider-Man in this new Spider-Man noir. Hold on, let me let me make sure I'm actually sharing my audio. Let me see. Can you hear this? I'll mute it real quick. Yeah, I mean, can you hear this? All right.

Frank Bentley (25:38.395)
I think the I think the video's muted, yeah.

Yeah, we could.

Deraj (25:54.329)
Ha ha ha.

Frank Bentley (25:54.846)
Exactly.

Deraj (26:16.511)
Ooh.

Deraj (26:20.551)
Hey, that's kinda that's kinda hard though. I ain't gonna hold you.

Frank Bentley (26:23.958)
Hey, the chef's kiss. I I just I love that time period, like great great Gatsby time. And then you add in Spider-Man, bro. It's it's yes, yes, it's definitely giving Sin City vibes. The dope part, the dope part about it is what they're allowing you to do. I'm gonna watch it in black and white, right? but they're also gonna put it fully regularly edited.

Deraj (26:31.719)
Yeah.

It reminds me of like Sin City. You remember that? Yeah.

Deraj (26:46.324)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (26:51.166)
in color for the people who wanna see it normally. And I'm just like that was just a dope yeah, so it's a dope concept. So I I don't know how they're gonna do it on Amazon. When you go to watch it, is it gonna be like pick this way or that way? Yeah, which is w on and off.

Deraj (26:54.897)
I did not know that. That's a really cool concept.

Deraj (27:03.975)
I that's what I was gonna ask. Is it like a tech thing? Like you can s toggle on and off. You got color mode and d like you got dark mode, you can switch it on to dark mode and that mode.

Frank Bentley (27:10.678)
Yeah, which I I thought was pretty creative. Not to like change the but I I'm excited about Spider Man, but if that's something that they'll start incorporating into T V shows and and you can change how it looks, so you can have a different experience, that's fire. but

Deraj (27:24.222)
Yeah.

Deraj (27:28.093)
And this is this is through Amazon. This is an Amazon's creation. Okay.

Frank Bentley (27:31.042)
This is this is on Prime. Yep. but yeah, we got Spider Man New Orleans, which is it's going to actually be in line with the the universe of Into the Spider-Verse, which is dope. Yeah, so they're not separating him from the it's made by the same creators and everybody, so it's dope. So I'm so I'm excited for that.

Deraj (27:45.021)
Really? I did not know that.

Deraj (27:53.151)
All right, so let me let me read this real quick. I just asked Claude, like just details about it. Says Peter is so this is the character is Peter Parker sent set in the nineteen thirties in New York, obviously bitten by a radioactive spider, using his powers to fight crime and corruption and the city plagued by gangsters and justice. set on Earth ninety Hot Uinety Tw.

Ninety two hundred and fourteen. Sorry, I'm trying to get the content. Driven by the murder of Uncle Ben by the Goblin, fighting corrupt politicians, crooked cops, and big business in the Depression era. The Earth ninety two hundred and fourteen threw me off. What is that? You know that is that like multiverse type stuff or?

Frank Bentley (28:27.457)
You good.

Frank Bentley (28:39.278)
I don't even that's usually how they yeah, that's multiversal type stuff, yeah. Yeah. They be they be having weird names. Chime in, chime in, let us know. Put us on game, bro.

Deraj (28:44.081)
Is it? Okay. All right. If it if we got any comic nerds in here, let me know, cause Yeah. Yeah. So enhanced strength, speed, reflexes, agility, durability, all that kind of stuff. pop culture footprint. Blew up mainstream and t you know, via into the Spider-Verse, voiced by Nicholas Cage with a comedic heartboil twist. Now getting his own prom video live action series with Nicolas Cage reprising the role.

The show has a large ensemble cast with Jack Hudson, Huston, Huston, I think, Karen Rodriguez, Lucas Haas, Cameron Britton, and other recurring roles. filming season one rap March 2025, a brief production halt due to the LA wildfires. so yeah, though, I'm looking forward to this. I definitely want to check it out. But we're sure I'm gonna go ahead, my bad.

Frank Bentley (29:38.828)
Yeah, it's gonna be dope. It'll hold No, I was just gonna say it's gonna hold us off until we get the Spider Man that we want, but that's it. What was he gonna say? The the Tom Holland one. When that the the the Tom Holland movie come out, that's the Spider Man that we want. But, you know.

Deraj (29:48.239)
What what do you mean this Fireband that we want? What do you mean?

Deraj (29:55.271)
You know, I don't know, this might be an unpopular opinion, but the the twenty eighteen into the spider verse, I think might actually be my favorite Spider Man, like out of all of the different versions that they have. The animated one, dog.

Frank Bentley (29:58.673)
Mm mm.

Frank Bentley (30:10.178)
Which one? The animated one? I'm not mad at that. I like that. That's not I'm not mad at that. I thought you was gonna say like Tom is better than Toby or or or or what have you, but bet.

Deraj (30:15.335)
Okay. All right. Cause I was

Deraj (30:23.223)
Nah, I don't know if I care that much about it. I think, yeah, I mean, I think they all did a good job and they all kinda have their own footprint. I think before this animated joint, my favorite Spider Man was actually Dag, what's Bro's name? it's n yes. I actually really liked yes, I really liked that. Not that one. It was the one be the the I think it was the amazing Spider Man, yeah.

Frank Bentley (30:40.341)
Andrew Garfield?

Really? With Jamie Foxx in it?

Okay. Before that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Deraj (30:52.563)
The Amazing Spider-Man when he the that re reboot of it, that was my favorite Spider-Man. I think even in view of the Tom Holland joins. I think the Tom Holland ones got me because it's it within the whole Marvel universe. So I thought that was pretty dope. You know what I mean? And it's but I but I feel like they're all doing their own thing. You know, I mean I appreciate them for different reasons. But I remember ex explicitly walking away from the 2018.

Frank Bentley (30:58.156)
Hmm. Interesting.

Frank Bentley (31:07.176)
Right. Right.

Frank Bentley (31:12.822)
Yeah. For sure, for sure.

Deraj (31:20.582)
into the spider verse, I like, Yo, I think this is my favorite Spider Man, this show was fire.

Frank Bentley (31:24.448)
yeah. I've for the animated one in 2018, the music was fire. The this the the Of course, of course. and like the art style was I'm I'm not mad at that at all. 2018, that one is incredible. I think I'm excited for what they do with the new one and how they they get the story keep to keep going. But I agree. I'm not mad at that. 2018 into Spider-Verse is dope.

Deraj (31:29.841)
Yeah. And that hooked me in too. Yeah.

Deraj (31:46.823)
Yeah, man. Alright. Yeah, I was sorry. I was like I was like Frank about to flame me right now percent. That's what's up. And also too, I've that that animation style from Sony Studios, i it was dope and I think it set precedence for it's almost like the thing now, 'cause the new or should be the the the

Frank Bentley (31:53.568)
No, no, no, no, no, no, no. I I thought you were about to say something crazy. I'm on board with that. That's fire. Nah.

Frank Bentley (32:06.382)
Tough.

Deraj (32:16.287)
Teenage Unit Midja Turtles like played off of that style. the new GOAT movie that came out played off of that style. The K-pop Demon Hutters kind of plays off of that style. So it it's kind of birthed a whole new Stranger, yeah. Stranger Things did it. So I I think I and I personally love that animation style. It almost has a lower frame rate and it's comic book-esque and all this other kind of stuff. So yeah, shout out, shout out to whoever the animation team is around that.

Frank Bentley (32:17.846)
Was yep. Yep. Yep.

Frank Bentley (32:25.816)
was off that. Yep. Stranger Things did it. Yep. Yep.

Frank Bentley (32:36.278)
Yeah, yeah. Love it. Yeah.

Super dope. They kill it.

Deraj (32:46.417)
Yeah, man. All right. So we got I'ma let you kind of lead this one off a little bit.

Frank Bentley (32:50.998)
All right. I'm a I'm a I'm a I'm a big tech guy. Yeah. The tech the the tech side. I'm a big tech guy. we have the scout, which was back in I believe like the sixties they made the scout, but it got discontinued. but it is coming back as an E V. and I believe it's a subsidiary of Volkswagen.

Deraj (32:54.835)
So this is the this is the culture tech tech side of the house. So talk to us.

Frank Bentley (33:15.63)
And it's just shouting out the a new version of what EV is going to look like. I think it's a transformation of from what EV can potentially become. and it is what they now call the EREV. and if I'm not mistaken, if I'm not mistake yeah, I'm if I'm not mistaken, there is a gas generator within the vehicle, along with batteries.

Deraj (33:32.955)
Why does that yeah, what does that mean? I never that threw me off.

Frank Bentley (33:44.022)
It's not the same as a hybrid. I got to look more into that. but what the generator allows you to extend the range. So the range on this is like 700 miles or something crazy. so so like, yeah, that's the thing. Tesla, Tesla gotta get it together. Not get it together. They do a lot of things right, but

Deraj (33:55.839)
Come on, Tesla. Come on, Tesla. What's going on? What's going on?

Autoway.

Frank Bentley (34:06.58)
I'm just I just think this is fire. I think this coming them bringing into America. I've I've seen a lot of Chinese EVs that are very similar to this, but we all know we can't have those here. so they finally brought some of that technology over. So this is just a shout out to them. I hope, you know, they see this video and they just sponsor us with two, you know. We each get one. I'm just gonna that'd be crazy. Hey, but yeah, just some

Deraj (34:17.15)
Yeah.

Deraj (34:21.022)
Yeah.

Deraj (34:30.175)
I'm here for that, duh. I'm here for that. Yeah, man. I I've been like I I'll play the video in a minute, but like I've been I've been very loyal to the Tesla brand and that the loyalty's waned a little bit, but not for any other reason than their customer service really, really like pissed me off 'cause I actually had a autopilot, which I ha I hadn't had any issue. Like my experience with Tesla purchasing was the best car experience I ever had.

Frank Bentley (34:43.586)
Yeah, yeah.

Frank Bentley (34:51.469)
It's bad.

Deraj (34:59.677)
Like that's not a like I haven't had one better than it. and also I haven't had a better driving experience outside of Tesla. You know what I mean? Like Tesla, I think they just do a lot they I feel like they're the apple of EVs, you know what I mean? They just do it really well. but I had an incident with the autopilot that left some damage on my car. And I would I just felt like I just got the runaround for months. Like nobody was hitting me back, like

Frank Bentley (34:59.937)
No.

Frank Bentley (35:04.31)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (35:13.933)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (35:20.945)
no.

Deraj (35:27.889)
It was a whole a whole thing. And so it just I'm almost like I like now it's like I like Tesla because it's the best vehicle that I've driven and I like the experience. But the brandlords he just took a hit like after that. I was I was all in on Tesla, but that joint it pissed me off. Even if it's like I'm at fault. I don't care. Like just don't give me the runaround. Like that's all I ask. But let's check out this scout though. Maybe maybe Scout'll make me a believer.

Frank Bentley (35:37.985)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (35:41.706)
Of course. Of course.

Frank Bentley (35:49.176)
Facts. Facts. Facts. Yeah yeah. Facts.

Frank Bentley (36:02.795)
Look at it.

Frank Bentley (36:15.949)
That joint is tough. The roof is tough.

Deraj (36:30.175)
They need some music behind this. What's going on? Dar.

Frank Bentley (36:31.873)
Yeah, she she's so you you hear her breathing like

Deraj (36:39.751)
Like is a serial killer in the backseat.

Frank Bentley (36:41.547)
Yeah, I'm so done.

Deraj (36:47.465)
Sixty thousand.

Deraj (36:52.132)
dang, twenty twenty eight. So that's a little while out.

Frank Bentley (36:54.219)
Well, I guess I guess production I g I think they said production is gonna start in twenty twenty seven and then it comes in twenty twenty eight. and then that's

Deraj (37:02.269)
Okay. Well hopefully they're better than Tesla with their projections. That Cybertruck took Yeah, man. They will. They will. I still got mines in there.

Frank Bentley (37:06.673)
I I hope so, bro. I hope so. That cyber truck took forever. They take that reservation deposit though. Yeah. Do you feel like you do you feel like you saved money with your electric vehicle? On gas and magnet?

Deraj (37:21.975)
They tell me they tell me I do. I you know, I I'm not it's it's I haven't done the the calculation and conversion of like how much I'm what whatever the charge is versus like what that cause I I have it like the the charger port that's connected to my house or whatever. Like we got we upgraded our outlet and yeah. So it's just running through my electric bill. I don't feel like my electric bill is significantly higher because of it.

Frank Bentley (37:44.043)
Yeah. Yeah.

Deraj (37:51.679)
but also on the app, it'll tell you how much is you've charged it historically and how much you save in. Actually, I could look it up real quick and tell you how much I've saved in traditional gas or whatever the average is and stuff. And they say I I am saving it. So, but that's what they say. I haven't done my whole calculation. But I could tell you it feels a lot better having an EV when it comes to just energy and fuel that kill you know comparison because

Frank Bentley (37:58.754)
Hm. Right.

Frank Bentley (38:04.951)
Mm-hmm.

Frank Bentley (38:09.005)
Right, that's what they say. Of course they can say that.

Deraj (38:20.863)
You know, it's like charging my phone. I just bring it home and plug it. I don't have to worry about going to the gas station and all this other kind of stuff. It's just it's a very convenient experience by far. So yeah. Do you do y'all have an EV or not yet? Yeah. Would this be like is this like high on the list for you? Like is it This is on the list. Like above Tesla. Wha so why why

Frank Bentley (38:26.037)
Yeah. Crazy.

Frank Bentley (38:32.439)
Dope. Not yet. Not yet. I'm still this this is high on this is on the list, yeah. This is high on the list. It's between that and a Rivian. what did you gonna say?

Deraj (38:48.827)
Why are you going aut? Like I feel like you're kinda going you're going Android versus Apple right now. Why are you like going or why are you?

Frank Bentley (38:53.569)
That's that's my that's my problem. That's my problem. I got a problem with that. I see ever I see everybody get a Tesla. I'm just like

Deraj (39:00.379)
You just being contrarian just for the sake of like right. Right. Cause the top ones, what are the top ones? Like it's Tesla, Rivian.

Frank Bentley (39:03.083)
Facts. I'm like, I don't everybody got it. I'm gonna go over here and get a Rivian. You know what I'm saying? I'm gonna be different.

Frank Bentley (39:12.799)
It's Tesla's number one, then Rivian. and then right underneath that would be actually Lucid might be above Rivian in they're like the luxury they're like super luxury. So yeah, I would say Tesla, Rivian, then Lucid, and then back to your regular distributors of of vehicles. I think Ford has like the the next best selling one with their F one fifty. so yeah.

Deraj (39:17.072)
Lucid.

You gotta lose it.

Deraj (39:23.666)
Yeah.

Deraj (39:34.108)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Deraj (39:38.739)
Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah, man. I I don't know. I just I heard I heard at one point there were rumors that Apple was working on an E V

Frank Bentley (39:42.177)
Well, we'll we'll see. We'll see.

Frank Bentley (39:49.835)
Now I'll get an Apple E V. Now that I'll do that.

Deraj (39:51.645)
That would be that was like the only one that I'd have probably been more excited for than the Tesla. Like one thousand percent.

Frank Bentley (39:56.384)
Yeah, that'd be it's it's gonna be crazy if they if they ever did that. I seen I think Sony was in the race at one point too. Sony had a a a E V. but you know how tech moves. We'll talk about this now and then in three months Apple will have one, so we'll see.

Deraj (40:03.187)
That's crazy.

Okay.

Deraj (40:12.659)
Yeah, right. Well, I I all rumors. I I would it would be it would be kind of odd to see do it, but I'm here for it if they did do it. But four cylinder naturally aspirated gas engine mounted just ahead. I'm talking about the specs for the EREV. aspirated gas engine mounted just ahead of the rear axle used solely as a generator to charge the battery. I don't know what that means, but it sounds very technical.

Frank Bentley (40:22.08)
Yeah.

Deraj (40:41.351)
500 plus mile total range, a thousand pound one thousand pound foot of torque, dual motor, all-wheel drive with mechanical locking front and rear differentials.

Frank Bentley (40:57.239)
It's off road, yeah.

Deraj (40:58.641)
Yeah, a lot of different so I think so this this isn't my, I think, typical style when it comes to vehicles. Cause and also I'm not a car guy. Like Tesla was literally the only vehicle that got me excited. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just not a car guy, but I'm I'm very systems oriented and minimal and tech and all the other kind of stuff. And so

Frank Bentley (41:11.166)
Mm.

Frank Bentley (41:16.276)
Right.

Frank Bentley (41:21.43)
Yeah.

Deraj (41:24.467)
Tesla is a very out-of-the-way vehicle. Like there's not even a heads-up display. It's like an iPad in the middle of the of the joint. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. Or you could talk to it and all that kind of stuff. Like 'cause I got an Arivian. I've I've been inside the lucid as well. And they, I mean, they're they're really, very well designed. I do think it's just a t a preference thing because

Frank Bentley (41:29.911)
Mm-hmm in the center. You got no buttons to turn off the AC. It's on the screen.

Frank Bentley (41:41.164)
Yeah.

Deraj (41:49.095)
That's just not my aesthetic, you know what I mean? Like I get in there and I just feel like there's just too much going on and then maybe I've just been, you know, I've been Tesla. That's crazy. I've been Tesla. Whoa. That sounds crazy. You've been Tesla. He said something to win in the charge port. That's what he said. They w he went he went

Frank Bentley (41:51.404)
Yeah.

Frank Bentley (41:57.177)
Tesla.

That sounds crazy.

Frank Bentley (42:08.814)
That sounds wild, but yeah, I get what you mean. Hey, hey, yo, brother.

Deraj (42:18.109)
Yeah, that was out of bounds. So let's keep this thing going. All right. I gotta get myself together after that one. All right. next up, we got what's on the docket. This is hold, I gotta go back to my notes. What was it? What was the next up, bro? Hit this. Gaming. Yes, the all-in-one. All in one. Hold on. Let me get myself straight.

Frank Bentley (42:25.442)
No, you you good, bro.

Frank Bentley (42:38.905)
I think we have gaming. The all in one system. Yes.

Deraj (42:47.131)
Share my screen. So all in one, you came across so give us a little context about this. What did you see?

Frank Bentley (42:52.414)
so this this I don't know what to call it, developer or hacker decided to actually use the hardware from three separate systems. and she has packaged it into one that fully functions. it connects to the controllers if you Bluetooth it. and there's three HDMIs so you can just press a button and switch but.

Deraj (42:58.812)
Yeah.

Deraj (43:09.183)
Three and one.

Frank Bentley (43:21.292)
Between the consoles. and this is not a 3D rendering. There's other videos of her making this and selling it, which is crazy. and people actually using them and it fully functions. They're all digital, of course, though, so there's no CD jack. but this is just this is just super dope what somebody has used a 3D printer and is able to do just seeing the tech come together, and I would buy that.

Deraj (43:33.3)
Yeah.

Deraj (43:41.117)
Right, right, right, right, right.

Deraj (43:50.545)
Yeah, let's let's watch this video. It looked hard.

Frank Bentley (43:50.734)
I ain't gonna lie.

but

Deraj (44:23.293)
No.

Frank Bentley (44:24.254)
I ain't mad at it. The real question is, somebody gonna knock on her door. Somebody gonna be like, somebody gonna say, hey, cease and desist. What what what what what what are you doing? But hey, I would cop. That's that's a that's a crazy for a gamer, that's a gamer's dream. You just one button and have it all is is nuts. Yeah.

Deraj (44:25.855)
На

Deraj (44:29.972)
That's a fact.

That part. Yeah.

Yeah.

Deraj (44:47.807)
I would have loved a demo of like the UI once it's powered on, you're you know, it fires up for the first time on a big screen, like how she designed th the interface and how do you navigate to the different I guess console you know what I

Frank Bentley (45:02.678)
If I'm not it yeah, if I'm not mistaken, when you hit that button, if it's on PlayStation, it's gonna it's gonna pop up like a PlayStation. Like the branding. No, it's one it's one button on the top that switches. And then depending on the the LED, it looks like it changes to the console. Yeah. It cycles through. Which is nuts. And she's actually she actually got a real PlayStation 5 and just put the hardware there.

Deraj (45:11.593)
So i is it three different buttons on it? Is that what it is? It's

Deraj (45:19.22